tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post4234228218999537727..comments2023-07-20T06:35:09.057-07:00Comments on Tim Mosedale & Co on Everest: An awful tragedy that has been sidetracked in to a different agenda.Tim Mosedalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05731203299993144363noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-24656005508610863162014-05-13T11:13:41.524-07:002014-05-13T11:13:41.524-07:00Hi Conrad,
Thanks for following progress and for ...Hi Conrad,<br /><br />Thanks for following progress and for the comment.<br /><br />Hope you had a great time.<br /><br />Cheers - TTim Mosedalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731203299993144363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-33482495602138086782014-05-13T05:03:58.855-07:002014-05-13T05:03:58.855-07:00OK, thanks for the reply. I was a bit upset. I am ...OK, thanks for the reply. I was a bit upset. I am 100% sure you think of your sherpas as true friends. <br />But I will keep on saying you (meaning, we, westerners) do not value their lives as our owns.<br />Would it be allowed in Europe to make people go in a zone with very high objective risks sevral times in a season? I mean people working to feed their families, making multiple back and forth, and not clientd who chose to go there, and take this route only twice or slightly more? There are risky jobs in Europe, but by no means we would allow such an objetcive risk.____https://www.blogger.com/profile/07188888068902584876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-7883637555776015212014-05-08T06:22:27.332-07:002014-05-08T06:22:27.332-07:00Tim, i met you in a WiFi cafe in Dingboche on your...Tim, i met you in a WiFi cafe in Dingboche on your way to EBC ( i was with a friend and his son), thanks for the chat then, and thanks for the insight now! What a mess this season now is, sad on all accounts!Conradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15501580973166182165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-41128959199951748502014-05-04T07:36:50.985-07:002014-05-04T07:36:50.985-07:00Thanks for reading but also thanks for the comment...Thanks for reading but also thanks for the comment. TTim Mosedalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731203299993144363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-47881349440082556092014-05-04T07:35:47.389-07:002014-05-04T07:35:47.389-07:00I have a great rapport with many families in The K...I have a great rapport with many families in The Khumbu region and indeed some of them are family friends and have even visited and stayed at my house in the UK. I was very saddened by the loss that has affected every family throughout the region in some way.<br /><br />Sadly, I suspect that if it had been 16 Westerners that we would be back on the mountain by now. The fact that it was a loss of Climbing Sherpas has made it all the worse.<br /><br />And lastly it is, without a doubt, risky work. This accident was unprecedented in it's scale and was due to an accumulation of a number of factors. But ordinarily if basic safety measures are followed accidents can usually be avoided. The Climbing Sherpas are proud of their status and are very dignified about their work. They are paid a pretty good salary for the work that they do which reflects the risk. But as I said this year's accident was off the scale - which is why I am now sat on a train going home.<br /><br />I know that we will almost undoubtedly never agree on all these matters but I hope that this goes some way to explaining a few items little but further and clarifies some of the points you made.<br /><br />Thanks - TimTim Mosedalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731203299993144363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-42071872686759886472014-05-04T07:13:44.557-07:002014-05-04T07:13:44.557-07:00Thanks for the comment. The bit about average inco...Thanks for the comment. The bit about average income isn't saying that they can save in a year. As I mentioned most folk make this a project that lasts many years of saving and cutbacks. So believe it or not you can save on average income if you cutback on overhead.<br /><br />We do pay the insurance premium and it's one of my previous clients who lobbied the Ministry if Tourism to get the payout doubled to US$10,000. It's likely to go up again and rightly so. The premium we pay has doubled but I perfectly accept that this is a sound investment and have no qualms at all in paying it.<br /><br />I've worked with the same team if Sherpas for over a decade and I do value them and indeed the whole if The Sherpa communityTim Mosedalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731203299993144363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-15694071961958712732014-04-30T10:14:42.387-07:002014-04-30T10:14:42.387-07:00well said, very balancedwell said, very balancedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967503321256747475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-35005623174895532742014-04-29T06:23:59.761-07:002014-04-29T06:23:59.761-07:00In what world do you live, when you tell us that s...In what world do you live, when you tell us that somebody able to burn 50 k$ to be transported at 8850m is on average income, even in the US, in Europe ? <br />And why the climbing organization do not pay for a proper insurance for their sherpas? You're paying one to your assistant back in the UK or wherever based you are, right?<br /><br />The truth is, and clearly appeared at the reading of your post, that you don't value one sherpa's life the same as a westerner's one. <br />What if 13 clients died instead of 13 sherpas?<br />Do you really think it's safe to make people go multiple times back and forth in a zone with very high objective risks ?____https://www.blogger.com/profile/07188888068902584876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-51058814693436657842014-04-28T15:31:32.286-07:002014-04-28T15:31:32.286-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-68156294903707822272014-04-26T21:24:32.073-07:002014-04-26T21:24:32.073-07:00Thanks for this Tim, I know for a fact that some o...Thanks for this Tim, I know for a fact that some on your team have worked very hard for years to find the money to fulfill their dreams, and may never get another chance. It's terrible that the loss of 16 lives has been turned into something political and with the threats I've read about (if true,) something sinister. I do hope the situation can be rectified, but as you say, this will have a follow on effect for certainly the next few years. None of us armchair (for now, at least) enthusiasts can begin to relate to what the Sherpas and the teams have been through. Thanks once again. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09009361988031458184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-74716163323464345152014-04-26T20:50:05.157-07:002014-04-26T20:50:05.157-07:00It's tough, sorry. It must be difficult, but, ...It's tough, sorry. It must be difficult, but, 16 Sherpas died in an avalanche. I think your perspective is skewed. There is no way for you to relate to the their situation. Your resistence is unbecoming to the grace and perseverance of your sport. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611852834402622960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-21874852306014234272014-04-26T14:52:06.191-07:002014-04-26T14:52:06.191-07:00Many thanks for these informed, balanced and thoug...Many thanks for these informed, balanced and thoughtful comments Tim. Very disappointed for you and your team, as well as the Irish Seven Summits guys. Hope to catch up with you along the way. David Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481704835309510566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-75425558081625807032014-04-26T09:33:38.777-07:002014-04-26T09:33:38.777-07:00Thank you Tim for another sound, sensible blog. I ...Thank you Tim for another sound, sensible blog. I have already put my views forward so for now enjoy the rest of your time in Nepal and safe journey home. Cheers KateKate Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09993234792050499173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-26102508240617870442014-04-26T05:41:47.112-07:002014-04-26T05:41:47.112-07:00Agree fully with your thoughtful, balanced comment...Agree fully with your thoughtful, balanced comments....very well written...hope many read your excellent contribution to the ongoing conversation following last week's tragedy Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289290875464699301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2460622843914317671.post-45547201649328913172014-04-26T03:28:48.203-07:002014-04-26T03:28:48.203-07:00Good read, TimGood read, TimAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795460483154294165noreply@blogger.com